Healing the Metabolic Epidemic: The Power of Targeted Nutrition
Dr Marianne Pinkston is joined by Dr. William Hsu, Chief Medical Officer of L-Nutra, to explore a growing crisis: 93% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy, and for the first time in generations, our life expectancy is declining. Together, they uncover why conventional medicine and prescription-based approaches are falling short— and how science-backed nutrition and strategic fasting offer a realistic, attainable path to restoring metabolic health. If you’re looking for hope beyond the prescription pad, this conversation delivers powerful insights that could change the trajectory of your health and our nation’s future.
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Hello everybody. I’m Dr. Maryanne Pinkston and today I’m going to bring you a another wonderful episode that
will talk a little bit about nutrition, longevity, living longer, living healthier. It’s something I always uh
that everybody’s always interested in. And so today’s uh program will feature
Dr. William Shu which is uh the chief medical who is the chief medical officer from El Neutra. Now I’ve highlighted El
Neutra before and talked about the fasting mimicking diet with prolong which has been a great great program and
I I enjoy having uh you folks from El Nutra on to talk about it because this is a fantastic program. I’m sure we’ll
touch on all of that as well. But El Nutra is a company in nutrition longevity and I am so happy to have you
here. Dr. Shu, welcome in. Thank you very much for joining us. Oh, thank you so much, Marian. It’s
great to be on your show. Thank you. Well, tell me first of all a little bit about you and the company,
but how you wound up uh in such a place and your passion and all.
Yeah, this this really dates back about six years ago. Uh so I’m a uh endocrinologist who specializes in hormones and especially in metabolic health and I used to work at a place
called the JSON diabetes center up in Boston which is uh one of the oldest
diabetes institution around the world. Absolutely. And as part of a Harvard medical school, um I had always been
looking for a solution to age related problems such as metabolic health um
in metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes and for the longest time we’ve had so
many drugs in fact we have 12 13 different categories of diabetes medicine. um after taking care of
patients doing re research and teaching medical students for about 20 25 years I I felt like we’re we’re really not
actually addressing the root cause of these problems. Absolutely. And then back then I saw a paper that
was published in cell that show which is a a scientific uh uh sort of publication
that showcased how FMD potentially in animal models was able to regenerate beta cells. These are the cells that
make insulin uh that was responsible for uh diabetes.
And I say how is it possible that nutrition intervention in in animal models at the time was able
to reverse type 2 diabetes to me to say if I could bring this to humanity if I
could uh make this available to millions and millions of people who are either
struggling with diabetes or pre-diabetes or any other metabolic health issues. Wouldn’t that be the biggest impact I
can bring through my profession? And so the rest is history.
Diabetes/Pre-diabetes and Metabolic Health
Absolutely. There you go. Which is where
and I have told patients many times because you know diabetes was worked out as you know something that is is um you
know very detrimental to to health. But I have proposed that pre-diabetes or
insulin resistance and and um our our metabolic health is probably more dangerous and more important. I mean the
end point is the same whether you are diagnosed with diabetes which is an arbitrary number you know A1C of 6.5 and
above I know it’s well studied that way but still to me in my mind it’s arbitrary what’s the difference between 6.4 four 6.5 really you know I I feel
like that the end point is the same and that diabetics often get treatment which
helps in turn maybe reduce their their uh issues long term but pre-diabetics
don’t and don’t get the education the nutritional support that you know the medications if needed and and whatnot so
that that’s kind of been my my uh my thought uh and I don’t know if that’s something you agree with but metabolic
health now is with all of the GLPs and and the compoundingarmacies and the and
the pharmaceutical companies and has uh become such a highlight and now I think the microscope is on the pre-diabetes or
insulin resistance and I think we’re taking our hit at it. I don’t know if you agree it it’s it’s a continuum uh
you know from healthy to pre-diabetes to diabetes. In fact there was a recent
paper showed that uh merely 6.8% 8% of all Americans are cardioabolically
healthy. 6.8%. That means 93% of us are not healthy. So
what that means is is having a a normal blood pressure, normal blood glucose,
normal cholesterol level, normal weight, and no history of heart or heart
diseases. Just these five factors, right? Only 6.8% of all Americans are healthy.
So we’re talking about and that’s crazy. In fact, when you think about the advances that we have and so on so
forth, I mean, we’re living in the 21st century here, right? The most advanced
country in the whole world, yet 93% of all of of the population,
not healthy. And so, so that really is an accusation to the the health care system where
we’ve been focusing so much on treating the disease rather than preventing them from happening. And that’s why I I I I
wanted to be in the business of root cause prevention and that’s why I came
to El Nutra. Wonderful. Wonderful. So that uh um you
know the fasting mimicking diet is part of El Nutra’s uh format now. And so what
else is involved at El Nutra?
El Nutra and chronic illness/metaoblic issues
No. So, so when you think about uh El
Nitra really is a company, it’s a medical nutrition company that is rooted in the belief that
addressing the root cause of many chronic illnesses really has to start with addressing age or aging process.
Think a lot of us don’t develop health conditions until we’re older. Why? Because when you’re young, the body is
more resilient, is able to fix many of the issues. Give you one example.
College students don’t take care of themselves in terms of their diet. They sleep late. They I mean, right, they
drink too much alcohol. I mean, sorry, I’m I’m generalizing. Yeah, it’s true. But people don’t develop these age
related conditions at that time. They don’t struggle with hypertension most of them, right? They don’t the diabetes
don’t occur until probably 40s and 50s because now as we age we lose our ability to heal.
So so Elnutra always has been looking for solutions that that look at the very
root cause of these issues which is aging is primary and the way we go about
doing that is really by looking at how do we hack nutrition. You know, nutrition for a long time has
been right obviously is something that we eat every day, right? It’s something that has the most effect. But if we ask
people to be a saint in order to live better and live longer,
you know that they they that most of us couldn’t be a saint to begin with. That’s why we have 70% overweight or
obesity. If the solution is still the same of eating well every single day, so
be be a sane, therefore you could live longer, then we’re we’re doing the same
thing while expecting a different result. And and someone put that as a definition of insanity, right? Exactly.
And so El Nutri is always looking for what are some of the ways where
can we use can we manipulate nutrients or body’s ability to perceive nutrients
to drive healthier outcomes. So the fasting mimicking diet is a perfect example of that, right? It’s a fiveday
structural meal meal kit where when you consume what’s in the box, it mimics the
benefits of prolong fiveday fast but it provides stealth nutrition uh so
that your your your body doesn’t detect the nutrients. So
what does that mean? You get the best the benefits of a prolonged fasting while your body is getting nutrients.
It’s that kind of hack. It’s the idea of consuming five days of nutrition intervention
can overcome the poor diet for the rest 25 days. Now, the concept isn’t that 20
the rest of 25 days isn’t important, right? But it’s a pragmatic approach to our
societal problem. If you ask people to be good with their diet for 30 days out of the month,
yeah, sounds great, but it’s not happening. But if you were to ask, if you were to
give me five days per month and just for a couple cycles to drive health outcomes, would you be willing to do
that? And most people would say yes.
Dr. P’s Backstory
Absolutely. Now, I don’t know if you um are aware or not, but I was 300 pounds
at one point, diabetic, cancer, hypertension, bag loss, the whole bit,
and running a weight loss clinic at the same time. So, I’m sitting in front of patients telling them, you know, how to
live healthy and better and longevity and weight loss and and I’m thinking this is not consistent with with really
good care, not following your own not following your own uh uh advice and for my children, everything else.
Um, and in, you know, the eight years that it’s taken me to get down now to
120, lose 18 pounds, and get my health back or whatnot, it has taken me, and and talk about being a saint. No,
definitely not. But I’ve done it more than, you know, more days out of the month or the year or whatnot than than
uh uh um than not. But I still have difficulties even
though I eat very well, exercise very well, I still have difficulties with insulin resistance. It’s still there.
It’s still like a phantom. And so, you know, it is not something that, you
know, being a saint is is not something that is going to perfect your your life. it it and it is something not humanly
possible. Now in my weight loss clinics I I talk with people about being good
and what that means and then you know this the the self-sabotage that people do when they talk to themselves that they failed or they get the guilt trip
or you know that’s a very important part of health
and and losing weight and all for for patients. And so to add to your point there that that’s a very very well said
and and I think it’s a great opportunity for people to to make a change and this is why we need tools.
Metabolic Health Tools
We need innovations not only in pharmaceuticals. I mean there’s a place for that but for
many people if they could have a tool that works. If they have a tool that doesn’t involve medications if they have
a tool that activates their own body’s ability to heal and it doesn’t take
every day for the rest of your life. That’s the kind of the the tool that we need in the 21st century. Everybody’s
too busy preoccupied and so on so forth. So so so that’s our flagship technology,
the fasting mimicking diet. But along the same line, we have many other products that that takes the same
philosophy. How do we provide pragmatic solution? How do we evade nutrient
sensoring? How do we provide nutrients that gives you the benefits but still
drives some of the benefits from fasting? That’s one. So that’s why we we have a product called reset uh that that
sets that that simulates a one day worth of fasting.
We have bars and drinks uh we call the fasting intermittent fasting bar intermittent fasting shake that when you
when you consume that the body doesn’t recognize it as nutrition. So you can actually practice intermittent fasting
very very effectively. But that’s one part of the story because
you know when you fast no matter how long it is what it does it is really it limits nutrients and it allows the body
to do allows the body to rest. You know it it’s like a a racing car
driving very fast. That’s our like I think that’s our lives right we’re running around all the time. We’re
eating all the time. We have so much nutrients. The car, the racing car needs a piss
stop from time to time to do what? To replace the tires that got worn out during the race.
And fasting is that component of that. However, that’s half the story because
when you think about fasting, what it does, it it takes the older parts of the components of the body and replace with
new parts through cellular autophagy, especially with a fiveday fast.
But that’s breaking down. That’s taking the old parts out. But there is a second part which is
really the building part. I use the example like I live in in in the New England area and so in the winter it’s
very cold. Let’s say if my thermostat breaks down and it’s too cold and I have
a fireplace which I I haven’t used in a long time because if I got a heater, right? So what do you do? I mean you
throw some stuff into the the the fireplace to warm your family up so you can survive the night. That’s like
that’s like fasting, right? Like you don’t have food, so what do you do? And the cell says, “Well, I’ve got some
older parts and, you know, misfolded proteins and older mitochondria inside my cells. I got to survive. So, how do I
how am I going to do this?” Well, I’m going to chew them up, right? Recycle them as a source of energy,
right? But I’m not going to recycle the most helpful, the youngest part of the cells,
the most efficient molecules, because that would be foolish, right? Right. the cells honed in on those older
more malfunction parts of the cells and chew them up as a source of energy. We call that
autophagy, right? That is half the story because now when food becomes available.
So, so what are you going to do? You’re going to you’re going to actually make new ones to replace the old ones. It’s like the analogy in in the cold winter I
you know what did I throw into the fireplace is never going to be my most expensive furniture, right? It’s gonna it’s going to be that
wobbly chair that say, “Okay, I could I okay, I can live without it. I won’t hurt so bad.” You know, survival is more
important, right? So, but now once you burn burn off those stools and chairs and older parts and
older furnitureures, now the the electrician comes or whoever comes fix that HVAC,
what do you do with the chairs? You buy new ones to replace it. Right? So the El Nutra uh is focusing on
the second part of that building providing end to end nutrition solutions you know.
So for example we um part of our company has a medically tailored meal that that
is designed after longevity diet you so the modified Mediterranean
makeup of food actually in fresh food that gets sent to people’s home. It’s a company by the name called nutrition for
longevity. Okay. We have for example and then we have another pro product for example that we
know people worry about losing muscle although the fasting mimic diet is really build on minimizing muscle loss
but some people need to build up muscle regardless. So we actually have a longevity protein.
What that does is it supports muscle building but on the other hand does not
accelerate aging. Now you might say well that that doesn’t make sense. What does it have to do?
Well you can imagine right when we fast what is the one of the most potent stimulator
of nutrient sensing is actually amino acids. It tells the cell it’s time to reproduce. It’s time to grow. So when
you wanted to to activate stress resistance pathway, when you want to activate a digging pathways through
fasting, you have to minimize that protein signal. Okay, that’s the secret
of the of of the technology platform. But for the rest of the time while
you’re not fasting, you want that muscle integrity, but at the same time, you don’t want to keep revving that proaging
pathways just like the race car. You don’t want to keep pushing, right, the pedal to to the metal, right? So or to
the floor. So you want something that can support muscle at the same time
avoiding triggering these aging pathways, pro-aging pathways. Um a lot
of proathletes don’t live longer, right? This is very important point.
They they train so hard, they eat so much. Yes. But that it’s not a formulation for it’s
not a formula for longevity. Correct. Right. And so even though they over consume protein and so on so forth, I
mean it really accelerates aging pathways. I I think this entire protein
debate, we shifted away from carbs. We shifted towards protein.
But just remember protein is going to activate strongly
many of the pro-aging pathways. I’m not saying that protein is bad. Again, it’s not that simple. It’s not matter of what
is good or bad. Right. Exactly right. So each Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go please go ahead. Go
ahead. No, no. Also the quality, right? The quality the amino. So what we did was we we look into the amino acid sequence and
the source of of the proteins. So make sure that we organize the amino acid in
such a way where it supports muscle without activating nice uh aging.
Nice. Yeah. That’s wonderful. Yeah. And so I the the thought I had is that you know so many
of our weight loss programs and each step that we take in learning about you know weight loss longevity and and all
is is a new fad. You know back in the 90s it was you know fat right? So then
it was carb and salt and now it’s no carb and now it’s you know little carb but high protein and we just keep
fumbling and changing. We we have to remember that it’s just a matter of balance, you know, moderation and
balance. And in the same thing with being a saint, eating like a saint all the time. No, it’s a matter of
moderation, balance. Now, one question I want to ask though, kind of I guess stepping back just a little bit is about
if you, you know, with the race car, with the pit stop and and with the body,
uh, you know, consuming some of the bad particles, um, that are, you know, left over that what if we don’t do that? What
happens? I think it’s important for people to understand if we don’t take allow our bodies to take that time to
consume the bad stuff that’s underneath the and and have the autophagy occur.
What happens to the body if you don’t if you don’t take that time?
What happens if we don’t address the issues?
Um well, from a population standpoint, let’s take a look at our society right now,
right? I mean, our our average age of survival isn’t increasing. Our our
longevity is in increasing as a society. Number one, right? Number two, our overweight and obesity
rate right now is about 70%. Yeah. And number three, back to where we started uh at the at the beginning of
the conversation, 93% of all Americans have some sort of cardio metabolic
health problems, right? That’s what happens when we don’t take care of things. We just assume just keep eating eating good nutrition. But but
you cannot just keep every day running a marathon without without a break sometimes for your body.
That that that continuous eating without a break also is not good for us. Yes.
Now because of our understanding of this and because of our unique angle looking at nutrition using nutrition to drive
healthy longevity we also discover in this journey when you’re lowering the
biological age with fasting mimicking diet and our solution we also notice
that disease are getting regressed meaning that many chronic age related
chronic diseases are also are seeing a reversal. For example, people with type two diabetes when there are multiple
cycles of our program, they lower their A1C, they lost visceral
fat, they lost fat, yes, they maintain muscle. Yes. They lost weight, they lost insulin
resistance, and the number of medications come off. Right. Thank you. And and through those observations, now
we put together a program uh under Alutra Health. Al neutra health. This is this is the
program where it’s no longer about the products that we serve, but you put it all together. Sure. Having a dietitian to supervise and
personalize the kind of nutrition plan a person needs to have. Yes.
And even in our diabetes program, we have lifestyle medicine board certified physicians to deprescribe or deescalate
diabetes medication for you. And that’s a new offerings we’re making available
to to the people in the world um with through this El Neutra Health metabolic
health program. Wonderful. And that you know I tell my my patients all the time that you know it’s fine great you want to take on
weight loss and getting healthy but a lot of people will tend to do that on their own with a nice Google search GPT
search. And you know what people need to understand is they need a support system. So need a trainer, you need a
dietitian, you need a good doctor that understands all this, can help you put it together. May even need a a
counselor, you know, for some mindset work and and absolutely stress and things like that. It takes a what do
they say? It takes a village to raise a child. Well, it does. It takes a whole team to raise a get healthy
person, right? It does. And it sounds like that’s what you guys with the El Nutra Health are are uh providing, which
is fantastic. It takes a village to raise a centinarian. How about that? There you go. I like that
picture. I love it. Really is. It’s very important. So, and thank you for reiterating that. I know
I’ve asked you to kind of repeat some information that you’d already given, but I want people to understand and hear that, you know, your body is a process.
It’s a it’s a um it’s taking on the efforts not just to build new, like you said, build new uh body parts and and
health and whatnot. You have to clean up the old stuff that you that has happened
uh that you’ve done to improve your health and thank you for reiterating that. Thank you. And and I think you know the
the new new driver for the new movement these days are really about
Swedish medicine. It’s really about lifestyle. How do we you know we call that lifestyle medicine because now
we’ve recognized Mary just like you’ve been talking all along the body does have this ability to heal.
Yes. you know, but we got to we got to activate it. We got to bring it out. These ability when we get a cut on this
on the skin, we don’t do anything. We just put a band-aid on, keep it clean because the body has ability to heal.
And we believe that metabolic health can be like this as well. The key is in our hand. And I like to
bring that power back to the hands of our consumer and our patients. Absolutely. And I do think that’s what
people are more are looking for more and more now. I’m glad it seems like we’re
entering a new age um with medicine now where instead of fighting it and resisting it, I think our voices have
been uh loud enough and and uh and heard um that we’re starting to
take a turn. You know, the the changes that have happened in Texas, for instance, uh now getting rid of food
dyes, you know, out out certain food dyes and now uh from what I understand,
doctors are going to have to take nutrition courses in order to graduate medical school. I got none of that.
everything I’ve learned in the last 25 years was just because my own life own health, right? And
yeah, and had to do it all outside of medicine. So, I do think the tide is turning and uh and I love that something
a company like El Neutral is behind that as well, you know, is a great voice to be heard and and I appreciate all of
that. So, I know we are going to stop short and take a a break. I’ve got a great sponsor that I want to give pay a
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Hey everybody, welcome back. I am Dr. Pinkston and I am here with Dr. William
Shu of El Neutra and chief medical officer who has so kindly given us some
time to talk a little bit about uh El Neutra Health, a new program that you guys are um now uh putting out there for
patients who need help with nutrition. Again, nutrition is life, nutrition is food, nutrition is medicine. I love this
and so I’m glad you guys are doing that. And we’ve also talked a little bit about prolong the fasting mimicking diet which
uh we talked about before but we mentioned something a little bit earlier about protein and I think that right now
again we are on kind of the new fad of low carb high protein. Uh you mentioned
about some of the detriments and and de uh consequences of doing that. Can you talk a little bit more about how
balancing protein and muscle building can be better for longevity? I you know
it’s really uh when people are talking about what how much protein and and what
kind of protein source and so I think we always have the mindset that it’s all
about building it’s all about performance and strength and and a lot of people think that you
know if you have then you’ve got everything but if your uh if your bottom
line is a double bottom line meaning that if you want to drive performance,
yes, but you also care about longevity, then you need to look through a different angle. See, it’s a different
debate, right? If you want to have if you want to grow a huge amount of muscle, okay, this is how much you eat.
This is and the source of protein. But when you want to look at what ultimately
not only supporting the muscle integrity, but also driving longevity,
then you want to make sure that there is enough protein, but you also care about the quality of the protein, the source
of the protein, right? And and it is a different endpoint like if you want to
be for example if you want to be a sumo wrestler right and to push it to the extreme you you
need very different kind of protein requirement for that prime
that’s not living longer right you were correct that’s not living longer right and so from it’s very interesting to the number
of publications now large population studies have looked at how people who consume a lot of protein they may have
very high IGF-1 level Okay. And IGF-1 level is actually a marker of
longevity, a marker of aging. And and it’s a U-shaped curve. You don’t want to have too low IGF-1. You don’t have too
high of IGF-1. You want to be in that happy valley. Much like body weight. You don’t want to have too little body
weight. You don’t want to have too much body weight. And and this is where the debate is a lot more nuanced than simply
eat as much protein as possible, right? at every from every source. We happen to believe and and we’re guided by number
of of animal studies but also populationbased studies and looking at the centinarians for example around the
world that that we actually you know the protein requirement during younger
period of time is actually lower but as we age we need more proteins for
building and and so that’s one number two we strongly advocate more
plant-based protein especially during the younger years and but okay to to consume more animal
protein as we age more because the requirement against frailty as we age.
Absolutely. And this is very much the the uh the principles inside the longevity diet
principles. This is also advocated by a professor Vald Longo at the USC and and
he published a book called the longevity diet which he really outlines his argument around these protein
requirements. Yes. Great man. So he he’s actually kind of the force or the inventor behind El
Nutra. Correct. He is the founder he’s the he’s the discover or inventor of the fasting
mimicking diet. And and this is because his mentor was in in nutrition research
and and his mentor did an experiment where they put uh I think seven or eight men into this biosphere.
uh you remember in the I believe in the in the maybe in the 80s or so
where they live inside that sphere sustainable everything vegetation water everything is all supplied by this
biosphere and it was glorious restriction you didn’t have many sources
right for food right what he saw was that my goodness when they came out of the biosphere they were terrible they were
in terrible shape wow their body was not healthier wow and so He was kept thinking you know you
cannot just restrict nutrients for a long period of time but many experiments
show that when you restrict it periodically it’s actually great for health right it’s like it’s like when
you go to sauna I mean you don’t want to be in sauna temperature like all day long but for that short period of time
it triggers body’s ability to do something sure sure which is which is amazing science and there’s a lot of science
behind fasting mimicking diet and and fasting Joe now People make a lot of mistakes in fasting. So, there’s the,
you know, the uh different uh time, you know, restrictions. Some people do it for 12 hours, some for 16, and you know,
some do water fasts. I’ve had people do 30-day water fasts. I don’t know how they manage these. I’m like, oh my
goodness. And so, it really doesn’t have to be that hard. And and that’s where
the fasting mimicking diet, I think, has simplified it beautifully and and uh
recommend it highly. Now with the and and back to protein because you know uh the the loss of protein you the frailty
you mentioned in the loss of of protein and and muscle over time is what aging
you know is you see the little little you know older person who is frail and hunched and and losing muscle and
getting frail and thin and that is the definition and so uh again we’re not looking at I think most people aren’t
looking to be uh god rest his soul Hulk Hogan or Arnold Schwarzenegger or you know
athletes or marathoners. I mean, this is a small subset of the population. I think people really are just trying to
look good, be healthy, live longer. And so, this is a great uh this is a great
way to to proceed. Yeah. And and I think, you know, given especially given the popularity of the
GLP1 drugs these days for weight loss. Yeah. You know studies have shown for example that class of medications when
it’s done over a course of a year or a year and a half people lose about 10% of their muscle
and that translates to about 20 year age related muscle loss.
Absolutely. So now you’re driving weight loss but you’re also driving you’re accelerating aging because you’re losing that muscle
mass. And so it’s very important uh for those uh uh uh folks uh we believe there
we we offer better way for for weight care by using nutrition approach. But if
you do choose to take the medication route, just remember exercise and proper protein
supplementation to rebuild those muscle are going to be very critical
and that’s why you don’t purchase your GLP through a company that you know just provides it and doesn’t provide you any
coaching and support and and uh very very important point. Thank you for bringing that up and I think that is
more we’re addressing more of a quick fix uh mindset. you know, people who are
there’s some desperate people. I know I was overweight at one point. I was very desperate, too. Um, yeah, right. I’m a
doctor. I I know how to do things right. No, I didn’t. And so, it was a big learning process of uh of how to do
things correctly for people. So, yes, the GLPs, you do lose a lot of muscle. Very important to get support in that.
Absolutely wonderful information. Thank you so much for joining us and and giving us all this. Is there any other
thoughts? Any other anything else you want to speak to before we tie things up? Marian, I I believe everybody wants to
get healthy and it’s not that far away from us. You know, I just want to encourage all your listeners to take a
step forward. The body has the ability to heal. Seek the right source. If we
could be of help, we’d like to be uh supporting you. And certainly, Marian, you you invite a number of great
speakers every every time on your podcast. I’m sure it’s a it’s a that’s a
source of great wealth. Thank you. Uh of information. So, yep. I encourage your listeners to to take control, you
know, to to take the first step. Very very well said. Yes, you can. It’s
not as hard and not as far away as you think. You are absolutely correct. Where can people find you? Can you repeat that
information for us? Yeah. So, if you want a self-guided journey, it’s prolonglife.com. But if you want some
little bit extra personalized nutrition care by experts, come join us at
l-nneutralalth.com. Absolutely. I want everybody to know this is a company that I love. Uh Jim
Laval um is uh I’m medical director for one of his clinics in Texas and he has
always been very supportive of prolong fasting me as well. Absolutely. Great, great, fantastic man. And so I I love I
really love this company. I would not bring anybody to the forefront here unless I really believe in what you’re doing. Thank you. Thank you.
Thanks so much. Absolutely. And everybody, you can find more information at drp betterlife.com. And I hope everybody has a wonderful
week. Thank you, Dr. Shu. Stay blessed. [Music]
